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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    Hi John,

    Any news on this yet? whens it due into the Uk?

    cheers
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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    All being well, I'm hoping to collect it at the SignDigital show in April :)

    Hoping to offset transport costs and a bit more.
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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    cheers...cant wait to see it in action!

    just curious, will you be taking in work as well? I expect the printer will be red hot when you first get it but im sure that any other printing work will be welcome yes? no?

    I know that i would take you up on an offer to print my designs that simply wont goto vinyl, screen or sub-dye!

    Just another thing as well, ive read a lot over at the t-shirt forum about designs fading after 2 or 3 washes, what sort of guarantee did the company give you or indeed did they send you some samples that you could road test yourself? Ive read that all garments need pre-treatment (not sure about polys) but there is a 'fade' issue. with some designs the fade is good i think because it adds that 'worn' effect, but of course you wouldnt want to lose a lot of colours after a few washes.

    Im seriously watching how this comes off for you and i really wish you well with it. Its a huge purchase but if the output is good, then im working extra paper rounds to get one :) :geek: :ugeek:

    cheers
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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    Morning Dave & all

    I'm sure if you've researched these machines you'll know they need to be kept busy and the best way to keep them busy is by printing shirts :) We'll be doing retail & wholesale so will be taking in orders and they'll be welcome of course. Sods Law of course, I've just had an order for 300 printed shirts and I don't have the printer yet!!

    I took a look at all the other DTG printers at the Printwear show on Tuesday. There were more brands there than I expected.The 2 that caught my eye were the Anajet Sprint and the DTG Viper & K3, the DTGs had the edge over the Anajet as it has the WIMS system of stirring and circulating the white inks.

    I've got a load of samples BUT, they specifically requested that I didn't carry out wash tests because at the show, many of the shirts aren't finished due to time constraints. Most weren't cured. Nearly all (with the exception of Brother I think) use Dupont inks, some manufactures label it differently but they are Dupont inks. This basically means that no matter what brand of DTG printer the wash results should be the same or similar any variance is down to the people who produce the shirt and the methods used - like what pre-treat and how much applied and the fabric mix of the garment etc.

    There are inks designed for poly and some of the shirts were displayed on the Anajet stand - the vibrancy on white poly shirts was outstanding.

    Pre-treat is only required for dark/black shirts where white ink is used, it's not required for the others - all have to be cured though.

    I've been thinking about DTG printing for a long while. Four years ago I went to a demo locally and was most disappointed by the end result. Things have moved on a lot since then.

    Probably doesn't answer all the points you raised so if you have any other questions, do ask.

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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    Cheers John

    Yeah you pretty much answered everything. I too have been looking at DTG and i found a chinese company through that t-shirt forum. Theirs was only 3k but it was marketed as a flatbed printer that can do DTG. I was willing to take a 3k gamble on it because a lot of my designs were white anyway, so even if there was a registration problem with colour overlay, at least i has a white printer for darks. Kinda loony i know but it wouldve saved a lot of time weeding intricate designs with vinyl.

    Im surprised that they didnt have a heat press with them to cure the shirts when printed though! a little "suss" if you ask me but im sure theres a reason although if i was pushing a DTG i would make sure that expo customers could walk away with a finished garment to try out inthe wash. This is my concern and something that ive read about a lot. A few people in the U.S. went to the big show in Miami (i think!) and when they got their samples back and did the acid test, a lot were dissapointed with the amount of fade. Im familiar with the names you mentioned and these names were brought up at the t-shirt forum, but the yanks being yanks were being ultra picky and some were using calibration equipment to measure the colour loss! Ok i see their angle but does anything stay 100% fade proof? no! especialy when numptys boil their t-shirts coz mum aint washing them lol :)

    Yup, du-pont are at the forefront of white inks and yes its all bottled with different names. I use Roland Eco-sol Max inks in my Versacamm, but upon ripping an old cart apart i see Epson with a very silly white sticker over it! Ok it might not be Epson ink (do they make ink?) but of course theres some rebranding going on somewhere. in defense of Epson, i do see that their carts for their machines are extremely similar to Rolands so perhaps its just the cart-build that theyre covering up - who knows?

    Im also with you on the WIMS as well. After doing some geek-googling i found that white ink is in fact Titanium with a bonder mixed in and this is where the problem is, the titanium is the chief clogger of expensive heads, thus the bonder needs to be constantly mixed so that it fires well through the Epson heads. Yours has this constant mixing and i guess most of the price goes into this technology. The machine i was gonna get didnt have this which of course rang Big ben bells, i couldjust see it clog up or loads of head cleans to pull it through, which wastes way too much ink, and this white ink aint cheap.

    I applaude you for getting this machine but i do think we're still a few years away from printers that we know now. And thats good! coz its stops tom, dick and harry getting in and undercutting the market. Perhaps we can charge just what the price should be and not 50p like on ebay! (no offense to ebayers...im one, but i charge proper prices for my work, im no mug - no self-pun intended lol)

    I know its probably way to early to ask this, but have you thought of a trade price yet for full colour dark tee's? both chest logo and full frontal designs?

    also, have you cured the samples you had? and washed them? its only nature that the full amount of colour wont stay on there because of the ruff and tumble of the washing machine and natural loss, but i really hope that they do keep at least 85-90% of their original colour.

    Cheers John, all the best
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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    I can understand why YES weren't curing the shirts everytime. Their stand was so busy and a constant queue of people wanting to see the DTGs in action and then people like me, asking tons of questions and getting different designs printed. The curing process would have taken them to long and taken them away from what they were there for - to demo the printers. I think I would have had a 'runner' whose job was to take the printed shirts and press/cure them. They're sending me some in the post - ask for samples too.

    I too believe DTG printers still have a long way to go and one day, one of the big hitters will come up with a white ink that exhibits none of the problems presently experienced, thing is, I've waited several years already and I hope it'll be several years more :)

    Weeding - tell me about it! Angie does all our weeding, she has more patience than me and find it therapeutic :roll: thank God!

    I've not thought of a wholesale price just yet, there are gonna be so many variables to take account of and I know it's not gonna be 'out the box' plug in and off to go, so I have a little time to dwell on that.

    You're right on branding, a lot of the stuff out there is re-branded. Take a good close look at the Neoflex & then compare it to the Epson 4880 printer! Similar?

    The white ink blocking issue is/has been a major problem as I'm sure you know if you've been reading the T-Shirts forum. Even those who use the bulk ink systems on this forum experience blocking of the colours! To be honest, I couldn't be bothered with that and purchased the Ricoh Gels Printer 7000. I have NEVER had a single issue with it, it prints first time, everytime even if it's been left for weeks. Thats how I want it to be :)

    I've read a few posts where people have used ultra sonic vibrators to unclog heads with great success - my worry would be that it could destroy the head, hmmmm.

    I've often thought of getting a Versacamm, which do you have? I have the Gerber Edge FX vinyl printer and so far it's worked well. The ability to print white & metallics is great for specialised work and means it can do stuff others can't. Hideously expensive though especially when combined the Gerber cutter.

    I'll take some pics of some of the DTG shirts I have later & post them here.

    All good stuff.

    John
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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    Sorry to butt in here, but can someone explain weeding to me, I've seen it mentioned a few times.

    Thanks

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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    Thanks for that :)

    I take it the process is the same for clothing, i.e instead of putting on transfer tape, you just put it on the garment and heat press it?

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    Re: Direct to Garment Printing - I've gone and done it!

    Exactly that. I can print to the vinyl, then contour cut in mirror and heat press on the garment.
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