Need army squadron badge

[Mattie]

Hi

I'm doing another army order for a past service man and need the squadron badge, anyone know where i can get it as he just has a framed picture of it.

I've attached the pictures he has, any help would be great.

He also wants wings on to but can't seem to find it, don't want to let them down.

[Draner]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal20Engineers.jpg


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""I, the copyright holder of this work, release this work into the public domain. This applies worldwide.
In some countries this may not be legally possible; if so:
I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.""

[Draner]

Might have to play with the colours a little bit.

[Mattie]

Thanks i'll play about with colours today, I'm not sure what the wing one is having trouble finding that one lol

[Draner]

have managed to tract it down to the 26 Armd Engr Sqn, strugling to find a badge.

[Paul]

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8315/royalengineerscapbadge.jpg
looks bit better

[Draner]

Thats a better one Paul, Still the wrong colours though. Is it copyrighted?

[jennywren]

It belongs to the MOD

[Paul]

Thats a better one Paul, Still the wrong colours though. Is it copyrighted?

nope.
"I, the copyright holder of this work, release this work into the public domain. This applies worldwide.
In some countries this may not be legally possible; if so:
I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law."
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Engineers_Cap_Badge.jpg#filelinks

[Mattie]

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8315/royalengineerscapbadge.jpg
looks bit better

Thanks Paul but the top is wrong, The one in picture off guy doesn't seem to have a Cross on the top but has a box type thing

[Paul]

definitly same cros :) just diferent shape.

http://www.fotw.net/images/g/gb_eiir.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Flag_of_EIIR.jpg

[Mattie]

Cheers Paul

I'm just panicing incase i print wrong logo as i don't want to upset them lol, Any ideas the best way to sort colours out

[Draner]

you should be able to use the colour replacement tool in Photoshop, its hiding with the normal brush and the pencil.

[Matt Quinn]

Thats a better one Paul, Still the wrong colours though. Is it copyrighted?

Yes it is - All military insignia are Crown Copyright...

[mrs maggot]

would it be worth asking "squadron prints" i think his name is on here ??? he would hopefully also be able to help re copyright etc

[Matt Quinn]

Trust me; copyright law is one of the specialisms I lecture in....

"Crown Copyright

Crown Copyright is defined as works made by Her Majesty or by an officer or servant of the Crown in the course of his duties (Section 163, Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988).

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/163

All literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works (including computer software) produced by officers or servants of the Crown (including the Armed Forces) in the course of their duties are Crown Copyright.

The most obvious material covered includes reports, photographs and films, regimental badges and other insignia. MOD and Armed Forces personnel can copy MOD Crown Copyright material without limitation, provided that it is in the course of their duties and for official purposes.

Crown Copyright lasts for 125 years from the end of the year in which a work was created or 50 years from the end of the year in which it was published (whichever is the shorter). "


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/open-government-licence.htm

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/information-management/our-services/delegations-of-authority.htm

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.models.scale/2006-03/msg00618.html

http://www.coaster.co.uk/military.htm

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/companies/raq4368b6e37c7b7

http://www.forces-memorabilia.com/

...NOTE the legitimate companies supplying this sort of material are all quite clear about their licencing position!

Sorry - but the fact is the idiot who placed that badge on Wikipedia had no right to reproduce it himself, no right to post it on Wikipedia - And certainly isn't in a position to grant anyone any kind of rights over it!

[jennywren]

Its true, your given a license and pay a percentage each time you use a crest.

[mrs maggot]

Matt that was why i suggested he contact squadron prints, if he has a ligitimate business selling to armed forces as he seems to, it might be easier to get him to do the mug

[Matt Quinn]

Matt that was why i suggested he contact squadron prints, if he has a ligitimate business selling to armed forces as he seems to, it might be easier to get him to do the mug

My apologies Laura, I did slightly misunderstand...

However, people do need to be clear on this... In reality a one-off for an old soldier? I wouldn't expect a problem. The MOD are surprisingly kind to model makers and military enthusiasts and old servicemen though there is a 'party line'...

- The danger lies in things like that Wikipedia entry! And people potentially 'harvesting' such material to make goods 'on spec' based on that ridiculous licencing statement! And it's surprising how often you come across that sort of scenario.

[Squadron Prints]

would it be worth asking "squadron prints" i think his name is on here ??? he would hopefully also be able to help re copyright etc

Firstly I am a girl! :-)
2nd - they are all covered by copyright - we have one license for the Army, one for the RAF and One for the Royal Navy which is reviewed every 2 years and we also pay a percentage each time you use a crest. Not worth taking the risk if you are selling publically - I know one chap has been recently taken to task on this and is now out of business!

Good Luck!

Gill
Miss Gill Howie
(Edited to help Laura :-) )

[mrs maggot]

lol, sorry, i presumed, and you dont sign after your post with a name -

Laura

[Hob Nob]

Hi,

As a newcomer to sublimation and this forum, I have followed this thread with interest as printing military crests is what I want to do. I appreciate that this thread is well old but couldn't find the info elsewhere.

With reference to MOD licencing, if you obtain it do the MOD provide the images or do you still have to 'ferret them out'?

Thanks

[JMugs]

The MOD will supply images.

[Hob Nob]

Thanks JMugs,

Do you know if it is a difficult process to obtain a licence?

[JMugs]

You need to contact the army as the primary source, then you will be asked to send samples of your work. The application goes to the Army, Navy and Airforce individually. If they all agree at the same time there is only one fee. In my case the army and airforce were on the ball, the navy dragged their feet. which meant I would have had 2 application fees (army/airforce and navy). You will need proof of insurance which indemnifies the MOD, I kid you not, but good insurances will have this built in. Your accounts have to be available for them to audit. There is a flat fee and then a commission on every item sold.

In the end I got so hacked off with the navy (which was the main one I wanted) I didn't bother.

Janners

[Hob Nob]

Blimey!

I thought it might be a bit involved but methinks I might have to work up to that one.

Many thanks for the info. Appreciated.

Adrian