Money Box issues ...

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06-09-2016
webtrekker

Money Box issues ...

Hi guys. Just joined and fairly new to the dyesub game.

I've had some success with mugs, but money boxes are proving tricky. I tried pressing one at 180 degrees/180 secs/medium pressure and after about 20 secs I hear a crack and discovered hairline cracks in the glaze leading from the slot to the top edge of the money box.

Ok. So I then pre-heated a money box to around 100 degrees, applied the transfer and pressed again. No cracking this time.

What I'm wondering is: Is it possible to affix the transfer first, pre-heat to 100 degrees, then press at 180 degrees for 3 minutes? Would the print start sublimating at 100 degrees or would it not matter?

Pleased to have found this wonderful forum and hope in future to be able to add my own tips.
06-09-2016
webtrekker

Update:

I tried affixing the transfer before the pre-warm and then pressing at the recommended settings and it worked just fine. However, I'm still getting the odd one crack in the glaze near the money slot.
06-09-2016
bms

Quote:

Originally Posted by webtrekker

What I'm wondering is: Is it possible to affix the transfer first, pre-heat to 100 degrees, then press at 180 degrees for 3 minutes? Would the print start sublimating at 100 degrees or would it not matter?

Nothing should happen at 100c but it will take some time to go from 100c to 180c so you wouldn't need a full 3 mins once 180c has been reached.
06-09-2016
webtrekker

Thanks for that bms. The money boxes I have were 'thrown in' alog with the second mug press I bougt, and I suspect the quality is not great. They are a bit barrelled too. I was going to order some BMS money boxes but I see they are out of stock.
08-09-2016
Longforte

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Originally Posted by webtrekker

Thanks for that bms. The money boxes I have were 'thrown in' alog with the second mug press I bougt, and I suspect the quality is not great. They are a bit barrelled too. I was going to order some BMS money boxes but I see they are out of stock.

Hi webtrekker,

Hope you're well. We stock 10oz ceramic money boxes which we're confident should the good quality you are looking for.

You can find them here: http://www.longforte.com/110z-ceramic-money-boxes-36

If you have any questions feel free to drop us a line.

Kind regards,
Jay
08-09-2016
webtrekker
Quote:

Originally Posted by Longforte

Hi webtrekker,

Hope you're well. We stock 10oz ceramic money boxes which we're confident should the good quality you are looking for.

You can find them here: http://www.longforte.com/110z-ceramic-money-boxes-36

If you have any questions feel free to drop us a line.

Kind regards,
Jay

Hi Jay, thanks for that.

I ordered a box of 36 of your money boxes to try out and they arrived today.

Good points:
- Sides fairly parallel, not much tapering off towards top or base.
- Print quality was excellent. Strong colours and very sharp.
- No cracking of the glaze near the slot when pressed.
Not-so-good points:
- Variation in heights.
- Some rough edges around the slots which detracts from the overall appearance.
- Not supplied in individual cardboard boxes.
However, none of the bad points were a deal-breaker for me and, as I've said, I'm especially pleased with the quality of print and the absence of cracking, which plagued the life out of me with the money boxes I had originally. I'll no doubt be ordering more through time.

(BTW, the picture on the Longforte site shows a money box with a flat top, which is not the same as the ones I receive, which have a dished top. I realise that this could just be a rendered illustration and not a real picture, but I was kind of hoping they'd look like the ones in the picture No worries though).

For anyone interested, I pre-heated these in a mug press at 110 deg c for 4 minutes (with the transfer already taped in place), then put straight into another mug press at 175 deg c for 3 minutes at medium pressure. I then immediately removed the transfer and left to air-cool.
08-09-2016
Longforte
Quote:
Originally Posted by webtrekker

Hi Jay, thanks for that.

I ordered a box of 36 of your money boxes to try out and they arrived today.

Good points:

Sides fairly parallel, not much tapering off towards top or base.
Print quality was excellent. Strong colours and very sharp.
No cracking of the glaze near the slot when pressed.

Not-so-good points:

Variation in heights.
Some rough edges around the slots which detracts from the overall appearance.
Not supplied in individual cardboard boxes.

However, none of the bad points were a deal-breaker for me and, as I've said, I'm especially pleased with the quality of print and the absence of cracking, which plagued the life out of me with the money boxes I had originally. I'll no doubt be ordering more through time.

(BTW, the picture on the Longforte site shows a money box with a flat top, which is not the same as the ones I receive, which have a dished top. I realise that this could just be a rendered illustration and not a real picture, but I was kind of hoping they'd look like the ones in the picture No worries though).

For anyone interested, I pre-heated these in a mug press at 110 deg c for 4 minutes (with the transfer already taped in place), then put straight into another mug press at 175 deg c for 3 minutes at medium pressure. I then immediately removed the transfer and left to air-cool.
Hi webtrekker,

Thanks for your message! I'm glad the prints came out well for you without any breakages. The other comments are also really valuable feedback which I'll pass on to our manufacturer so that we can continually improve our products, especially the packaging as we are keen on getting these with individual boxes as well as we believe it makes it easier to seller for retailers.

I'll have the team look at the image on our site as I believe it was photographed in our studio but if it needs to be changed then we can certainly do that.

Kind regards,
Jay
08-09-2016
webtrekker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longforte

Hi webtrekker,

Thanks for your message! I'm glad the prints came out well for you without any breakages. The other comments are also really valuable feedback which I'll pass on to our manufacturer so that we can continually improve our products, especially the packaging as we are keen on getting these with individual boxes as well as we believe it makes it easier to seller for retailers.

I'll have the team look at the image on our site as I believe it was photographed in our studio but if it needs to be changed then we can certainly do that.

Kind regards,
Jay

I'm impressed by your quick reply Jay and pleased also that you value your customers.

I can certainly print and sell the items I received from you and I suppose that's the main thing. There'll always be little niggles with any product, particularly ceramics, which aren't an exact science at the best of times!

At the end of the day, I have some money boxes with perfect prints and no cracks, so that will keep me happy for a while.
25-10-2016
webtrekker

Update:

I've had at least 10 money boxes in my shipment of 36 with black specks, pinholes, rough money slot caused by ceramic dripping when made and irregular sizes/distortion.

The verdict is .......... I'm giving up on money boxes altogether, it's costing me more than I am making.
25-10-2016
Justin

Yep, I cam to the same conclusion :-)
25-10-2016
Mugshots

Ive done probably 15 money boxes and always done them the same as mugs 180 and 180. Never had 1 problem?
25-10-2016
Lucifax

We've done a lot of money boxes and they can be a pain in the butt, mainly due to the barreling at the bottom. We've shrunk our money box designs significantly due to this. On the cheapo money boxes, make sure the press isn't too tight, just light pressure, otherwise the texture of the press can transfer to the money box.

Currently using the cheaper ones which are a bit rubbish to be fair compared to the BMS ones which are heavier and the best we've had but that's reflected in the price of course. Like was mentioned though the BMS ones are still out of stock so they're currently irrelevant.
25-10-2016
webtrekker

At first, cracking was the problem. I solved this by using Longforte money boxes and pre-heating them to 110 deg C for 4 minutes in a second mug press before pressing at 180/180 in my main press. I could still hear odd ones cracking, even while pre-heating, but there were no visible cracks on the Longforte ones and the finished product seemed robust enough.

However, the cracking hasn't been the only problem I've had, as posted above, and sadly I'm going to have to call it a day with these, as nice as they look when successful.

The ones that have turned out well are perfectly printed so I'm assuming my temps/times/pressures are all ok, but there's nothing I can do with pinholes and black specks in the glaze or the poorly finished (sometimes off-centre too) slots. As for distortion, it's not just barrelling that's the problem, they seem uneven over the whole surface and some are tighter in the press than others, making me suspect the actual diameters of the items.
25-10-2016
Lucifax

That's wierd, I've never had one crack ever. Not fussy with them either, from straight in a cold press up to 180 for 180 or straight in at 180 for 180.

Due to the barelling I've been know to turn them and put them straight back for a second 180 seconds too until I'm happy they've taken.

I'm currently using what's left of a batch of these ...... not blown away by them compared to the BMS ones but they are a decent finish with none of the problems you seem to have, just very lightweight ....... although we tend to send them to the US mainly so the weight is probably a good thing. http://www.subliblanks.com/36x-subli...ch=money%20box

We're just swapping to Listawood for mugs though so will probably get the next ones from there. If only someone could make a money box without the barreling.
25-10-2016
Mugshots

Off topic but the flasks are a total joke. They resemble a pyramid more than a flask