Long shot but has any body used this press, just need to know
if you have any problems sublimating with the pressure being
applied from the base rather than the platen. TIA
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Long shot but has any body used this press, just need to know
if you have any problems sublimating with the pressure being
applied from the base rather than the platen. TIA
Think we've got an old one of those in the warehouse. Jarin's are good, but the inherent problem with clam presses is being able to keep a consistent pressure across the whole pressing area, and so a decent quality swing press (PressMech) will always win out.
Always been happy with Jarin machines, its just this model that I'm not sure about with the pressure being applied from the bottom..Quote:
Originally Posted by pisquee
As the upper platen on the HF5100 "floats" to allow for different thicknesses of garments/material, whether the pressure is applied from the top or bottom shouldn't really matter - Providing the platens aren't warped, or that there's a structural problem with the frame, the pressure should be even across the entire surface area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bwfcuk
With regards to the comment about the Pressmech being superior to Jarin presses, I'd have to strongly disagree!! I've personally seen several issues related to the durability of Pressmech presses, including watching the owner of Pressmech have to fix a press several times at the Printwear & Promotion exhibition a couple of years ago. By comparison, the Jarin heat presses are widely regarded as industrial/high-volume presses - For example, their presses are used in every Premier League for the past 25 years, in addition to every Championship football club and many European football clubs, which gives an indication as to their reliability and build quality.
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Originally Posted by Badgers
It would be best if you declared your interest as a Jarin distributor.
Pressmechs are good heavy duty production presses that can produce high volume day in day out. Jarin - and other quality clam shell presses - are good for a retail environment where space is at a premium and volume ( match day aside) is likely to be steady rather than intense.
The fact that every Premier League and Championship club uses them is not in itself an endorsement. Did they all 'choose' Jarin by their own volition or do they use them simply because that is what their suppliers provide them with?
No problem, pw66 – I didn't realise that I had to declare my interest to offer an opinion, but I'm more than happy to confirm that we've been a distributor of Jarin heat presses for over 30 years, in addition to Stahls/Hotronix (in the interests of full disclosure.) Based on this, I would think that it qualifies me to offer an opinion on a Jarin press when people are making a direct comparison to others and suggesting that it's possibly inferior to a brand that I've personally seen issues with.Quote:
Originally Posted by pw66
For reference, we also have a retail shop here in Blackpool which uses two Jarin heat presses for up to 12 hours a day, 7 days a week from March to November, for the more than 25 years which I'm sure qualifies me to speak from a user perspective, too!!
As Pressmechs aren't that popular, I can't answer as to what they are mainly used for, but from the several major companies we supply with heat transfer vinyls and custom heat transfers (which I'm openly declaring, too!), I know of very few whom use Pressmech presses. They been around for several years and are well supported by the company that makes them, but from the machines that I've viewed personally, I wouldn't say that they are superior to any of the European and US commercial presses on the market.
With regards to the procurement and usage of Jarin heat presses in football grounds, as far as I'm aware they are purchased based on recommendations from the heat transfer manufacturers but are under no commercial obligation to use a specific brand/model of press, which I would personally view as an endorsement when they all opt for the same manufacturer. In addition, the notion that clam presses are solely used for the space-saving benefits aren't necessarily true in all cases, as the Jarin sports presses were specific designed for the Premier League clubs to allow shirts to be easily threaded around the lower platen and to be able to lower the upper platen as quickly as possible, due to the extremely high volumes that they print on match days.
With regards to volume, without the specific details as to annual sales on match days and non-match days, it's impossible to draw a like-for-like comparison with high-volume, commercial heat application. However, to be the main supplier to the top British football clubs consistently for 25+ years must surely count as to the reliability of the presses in the long-term.
As I've stated, these are only my personal opinions, but I think that it's always best for people to get a view from an alternative perspective.
Great post Badgers, re Premier league clubs using Jarin machines, I was managing the club shop at Bolton Wanderers FC when we got promoted to the PL and when negotiating deals for the lettering and numbers for the shirts we where offered either free stock or a free Jarin press. I took the press (2 in fact) they got hammered 7 days a week and been a fan ever since. When we had to buy our own we always chose Jarin.. BTW I take It you're the same Badgers I frequented in Manchester...
Not questioning the validity of your opinion, or your wealth of experience - although there are plenty on the forum who have as much or more experience. Suppliers are welcome on the forum, but as I said it is good form, though not obligatory to declare yourself as such.
I don't believe that anyone was directly stating that the quality of the Jarin press was inferior, merely that swing presses are more usable than clam presses in general. That is an opinion that is widely held within the industry. You are the only person in this thread that has questioned the quality of a specific brand.
As Jarin is a niche brand, I maintain that is is highly unlikely that every football club bought one through considered choice. It is more likely that it was bought because it is the brand their suppliers sell. That doesn't infer that Jarin are no good, but neither does it imply that they are better because they are used in the Premier League. Maybe that is a sales pitch that works well when selling into the 'Kiss Me Quick' seaside retailers ( I was in that trede myself in the early 1990's), but you could probably find a better USP when selling to the wider industry.
That underlines my point, re Premier League/Championship usage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bwfcuk
We've used Jarins (still have a couple in the warehouse I think) but much prefer using PressMechs for hard and soft substrates - we have 5 of them now!
My only preference over the PressMechs are our rotary presses!
I guess it comes down to the type of work being done, the work environment and, ultimately, personal experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisquee
Yes, we’re the same Badgers that were based in Manchester many moons ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bwfcuk
Pat, once again, there are several points that I disagree with you on, but instead of constantly going back and forth each day I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree...Quote:
Originally Posted by pw66
Your comment about “kiss me quick” hats did make me laugh though - I don’t think I’ve seen them since the early 90’s, although as I don't frequent seaside retailers, with the exception of our own retail premises occasionally, they may still be around!!
Usage is a good point - we don't do t-shirts, but use the PressMechs mainly for hard substrates of varying thicknesses for glass coasters, slates, passport covers, aluminium, printing multiple units per pressing, which is very different from printing mainly 1 t-shirt at a time, or indeed always/only pressing t-shirts and once set not needing to adjust anything.
For textiles work, we use our rotary presses, and then cut/sew into products.
Does anyone got a manual or instructions on how too use this product I've searched hi and low and I can't find a website etc
JarinHF5100 heat fusion machine instructors /manual anything on please ��