direct print onto cups or dye sublimation

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06-09-2012
dan74uk

direct print onto cups or dye sublimation

hi all
i see you can buy printers that print direct onto cups.which gets the best results,which is most cost effective

thanks

dan
06-09-2012
bms

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Originally Posted by dan74uk

hi all
i see you can buy printers that print direct onto cups.which gets the best results,which is most cost effective

thanks

dan

I'd love to see the mug going through the printer for this to happen :)
welcome to the forum by the way :-)
06-09-2012
meldean

Love to see one of those in action.

A link to the printer in question would be good.
06-09-2012
Justin

Welcome to the forum Dan. I've heard that these machines exist at great expense but I'm yet to see one.l

Justin
DSF Admin
06-09-2012
pisquee

I saw one in operation on a youtube video in some Chinese factory, the mug sits on a rotating arm, and oscillates while printed from a fixed head - impressive looking machine.
06-09-2012
dan74uk

hi.ive not actually seen one just someone in the printing industry said their was one.probabley a chinese mismatch that wud last one print lol

ive just started with a small heat press .ive had two different batches of paper and a crap epson bodged printer.one papers image is better than anothers.any suggestions on which is the best paper to ask for

thanks

dan
06-09-2012
dan74uk

just looked at that one.if u read the feedback i guess the printers rubbish..if u notice especially the iphone cover its already printed when it goes thru lol.
at 1500 quid it wud need to do a lot more.as it looks u still have to load it yourself .cant see the advantage .doesnt look like the quality is better than sub .stick to my dodgy epson boged printer and dodgy sub paper off ebay lol
06-09-2012
Andrew

Are we just talking spot colour screen prints or full colour. Direct rotary printers are common but never seen a full colour option. Did see an incredible auto screenprint machine from Scandinavia a while back. Only 60k.
06-09-2012
WorthDoingRight

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Did see an incredible auto screenprint machine from Scandinavia a while back. Only 60k.

I saw one also it was next to this one http://shop.grafityp.co.uk/catalog/p...artno=10120149 in my dream and then I woke up lol
06-09-2012
meldean

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Originally Posted by dan74uk

.ive had two different batches of paper and a crap epson bodged printer.one papers image is better than anothers.any suggestions on which is the best paper to ask for

thanks

dan

Trupix or texprint are good papers and also i can recommend the xpres paper which was recommended to me on this forum. I use this at the moment and cant fault it.

Purchased from bms if im allowed to say.
07-09-2012
Ian M

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Are we just talking spot colour screen prints or full colour. Direct rotary printers are common but never seen a full colour option. Did see an incredible auto screenprint machine from Scandinavia a while back. Only 60k.

Andrew, was it a Svecia? If it was I was lucky enough to work on them nearly 40 years ago. They were considered the Rolls-Royce of screen printing machine because of their quality & price. Before on was fitted a man from Svecia would come & survey where the machine was to be fitted. The floor had to be perfectly flat first long before the machine arrived. The full machine would arrive one day & you had to hire a very large crane to unload it. The next day their engineers would arrive & fit the machine & they wouldn't leave till it was working perfectly. It all was just pure quality all the way & well worth the prices they charged. I worked on a Svecia cylinder press at one company & that machine was just amazing how fast it could print. It not only printed it dried the prints through a row of driers & it would automatically stack the prints on a pallet at the end of the machine. I forgot to mention it also had auto feed too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5f4SRFkeLQ
07-09-2012
Andrew

I don't think that was it Ian but a nice bit of kit.

Is this what the op was on about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjcWG...eature=related ?
07-09-2012
dan74uk

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Originally Posted by Andrew

I don't think that was it Ian but a nice bit of kit.

Is this what the op was on about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjcWG...eature=related ?

yeh thats the one but as you see in the video the phone covers are already printed.having looked at it it doesnt look any quicker or the quality is defo not as good
these will be 500 quid in three years time
07-09-2012
socialgiraffe

Hi Guys

I have investigated this and although the print is actually pretty good there are a couple of concerns and why I stayed well clear, firstly it takes about 3 minutes to print one cup so maximum number I could produce is 20 per hour instead of 80 per hour with a couple of five press at once. Secondly although you can print direct onto the mug, if you want it dishwasher safe you have to first coat the mug. When I evaluated prices of the machine, ink and coating it came out at about 5 cents cheaper than dye sub but takes four times as long.

My other concern would be that the ink is only available from that manufacturer. I have dealt with them and they are fairly decent, but what happens if you forget to order and then run out!

Digital printing on mugs is not going to change with regards to white mugs, dye sub simply offers the best quality at the best price. There are some other systems out there that mean you can print transfers on to uncoated mugs, but the chemicals used are illegal in this country. Where the industry is changing is transfers on to black/coloured mugs. None of this white panel on a black mug rubbish, but actual black mugs. I have actually tried and test a transfer onto a black uncoated mug and while photographers would say the colour is a mile out, it is getting close :-)