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    Hi,...have enjoyed reading all the posts and all the answers. I am bleary eyed after having only joined site about 3 days ago!.
    My situation is being an artist, I want to put my own artwork onto merchandise products to sell myself. At present I have to send the artwork off to companies(on ebay), wait a few days, pay £5-6-7-8 for the article, be it mouse,mug, coasters etc, then see if it prints alright, or if it needs adjusting for the subdye process. I am amazed at the variation in the same image from different suppliers ranging from ghost image, to fuzzy, to way dark and spot on(only one supplier so far). Time and money etc.
    Am still researching what best option is going to be for me.
    the first thing I would like help with is in finding out if the mug wraps that are just heated in an ordinary oven, deliver a really good crisp image, or mug presses are the way to go.
    Initially I am thinking about buying either a wrap or a mug press just to trial out my designs etc, then outsource the print job. I don't know if it would save me money or not, as it would only be used to trial the designs to make sure that the images and backgrounds don't show up any flaws.
    Are wraps used in an ordinary oven any good, and can they produce a lot of mugs if that was the way I decided to go.

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    Re: press V oven

    Initially I am thinking about buying either a wrap or a mug press just to trial out my designs etc, then outsource the print job
    So what are you trying to do? If you just bought a wrap or a mug press, where would you get the design printed using sublimation inks and where would you buy the mugs etc? I'm not sure if just buying a wrap/ press is going to help you as you'd need the image printed with a printer using the specialist sublimation inks...

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    Re: press V oven

    Hi Martin,...yes, I do my own artwork and I already have several scanners and printers that I use to do all my own prints, one of which has cis that I can just buy another £25 worth of system to put new sub inks into, it is the cost of the inks and the next step that I am not sure about.
    I am just researching all avenues at the moment, so sorry if questions are dumb or vague.

    It is the initial time and cost factor of sending designs off for testing, as opposed to buying a wrap for oven or a mug press itself.
    Basically all I am asking is are the wraps for an oven capable of giving consistently good results, or is it better to buy one of the mug presses such as the ones you sell. They may not have great usage, but it is the quality and the consistency of the image I am after. I might paint an image that I only want to make 10 of as opposed to 100, would a wrap be good enough to give a consistent result.
    At the moment I am literally just running ideas around my addled brain trying to decide the best,easiest and most cost effective way forward, certainly at the moment it is not cost effective the way I am doing it, plus I get stuck with a lot of stuff which might take years to shift, if ever.
    It might be cheaper in the long run just to buy a starter package such as yours(no printer of course) and have the flexibility of just printing small amounts of each image as and when.
    many thanks
    Geoff

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    Re: press V oven

    Thanks for that - can I start with a question!

    Which printer are you proposing to use to put the sublimation inks into as the inks are the most expensive part of this process and, for the money, the kit that Flash is advertising at the moment makes good sense - new printer and inks plus mug press and mugs. I wouldn't recommend buying a CIS for an existing printer to then constantly change inks every so often - this would (a) be expensive everytime you flushed out the inks and (b) could cause problems with the CIS change everytime.

    Let me know about the printer and I'll try to help further...

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    Hi Martin,....I have two 1290 epsons, one with cis one without, and an sx415 which I just use for proofing and other things. I would convert one to permanantly use subdye inks, but whilst they have been fantastic printers, they are both getting long in the tooth. Already have had to spend a few bob to renew heads and cleaning one to keep it in the lifestyle to which it has become accustomed, but they have been so fantastic I am reluctant to change because I know exactly what they will print and how image will come out.
    Who are flash?, can't seem to find them on suppliers list.
    many thanks

    Geoff

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    Re: press V oven

    Hi Geoff,
    Flash isn't a supplier, but someone who's clearing out some stock. The thread is at:
    http://www.dyesubforum.co.uk/forum/v...hp?f=37&t=1226 and it is the mug press kit that's still up for sale. For £400 (not sure if VAT is applicable) then this is a saving on buying new, but there's probably no guarantees and the D120 printer is now obsolete, but the one for sale is brand new.

    I wouldn't go down the route of the 1290. These are no longer supported as they're long in the tooth and unless they are in perfect working condition then you're likely to suffer from blocked heads. The equivalent printer to the 1290 is the Photo 1400 which is a new and currently supported printer - it uses the same 6 colour ink as the 1290.

    If you do go down the route of buying a CIS for the 1290 then 6 lots of inks are going to cost around £300 +vat (£50 +vat per colour). If this doesn't work in the 1290 then you've a lot of stock of ink! A new Photo 1400 with a new CIS filled with artainium ink is going to cost around £499 +vat and this will come with the profile for sublimation printing. If funds permit then the better route for printing the occasional mug would be a mug press as otherwise you have to warm up an oven just to print a mug and in an oven it will take around 18 mins (once hot) - a mug press will do the same in around 4 mins from cold. Once you start to think about a printer, inks, mug press etc the costs start to rise. As a guide a starter kit for printing mugs (with an entry level mug press) is available from us from the link below (other suppliers also have starter kits - just to balance the thread!):
    http://www.printerowners.co.uk/subli...ss-package.htm

    Hope that all helps...

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    Re: press V oven

    Hello Martin,...yes, that helps a lot, that was more or less what I wanted to know. Thanks also for the flash link too. I keep looking at it every hour or so and it looks to be a real bargain, but as you say, I already have a printer that is not supported, so perhaps false economy. This seems to be a common problem with a few people on this site that have already gone the route I am thinking of.
    again many thanks for taking time out to answer

    Geoff

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