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    Restricted acts:

    It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner:
    Copy the work.
    Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public.
    Perform, broadcast or show the work in public.
    Adapt the work.

    https://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/c..._copyright_law

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    Gooner,
    Could it be argued that if someone claims to be the owner, that it is not within your remit to investigate the claim?
    And, from that, if someone asks for something to be printed with a company logo (or other IP) that in doing do, safe to assume, they are entitled to be able to print it.
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    You could ask for evidence of right or licence to use the IP - but if someone is willing to infringe IP, it is not beyond scope that they would also be willing to forge some kind of official looking document to say that they did have permit to use?

    In saying that, I can also see the other side of the argument, that you are printing someone else's IP in exchange for monetary gain, and regardless of whether that customer is on wholesale/trade/business terms and not a retail customer only affects the amount of money per unit changing hands, but the infringement still occurs, and in the wholesale scenario, obviously is less money per unit, but much more money overall.

    Is there previous legal case precedent to show which way the UK courts sided in this line of argument?

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    To answer your first part pisquee, I can only draw from experience. So when I worked for Jessops we would print for customers. A guy came in with a professional portrait which he wanted copied. Our policy was that the customer had to provide a written letter showing permission. If unsure, you would ring up the photographer and check.

    With wedding photography; back in the day, no photographer would release their negatives/ digital files, so customers would never come in with original files to be printed. But as cowboy photographers started dumping wedding pics onto CDs without the finished prints, customers were then coming in with 'professional' looking wedding photos....professional wedding photographers now offer the same shoot/ no print service. Within that CD contains a release file to allow the reproduction of those photographs.

    So permission letters have always been there for the printers to go ahead and print someone else's work. Covering their arses or legal requirement, my guess is the latter especially when someone walks in off the street and you know they are not in the business of photography.

    In my youth, I wanted an obscure album cover printed onto a T shirt. The guy reluctantly printed it for me and told me never tell anyone where you got that printed! So I've never come a cross a situation where it is ok to print what you want, no questions asked.

    If the law says, you cannot copy the work, that's black and white.

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    I think my best example is the local garage that specialises in German car repairs. They have a van that needs sign writing. Along with the name of the garage the wish to have the logos of Merc, BMW and Vw. The sign above their unit have these logos and they have certification , with logos, from these companies to say they are approved mechanics hanging on the wall. In fact they even want some some mugs to hand out to their customers.
    I would quite happily produce these for them but reading this I may be open to prosecution.
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    When you go to P+P the software providers for the selling platforms of personalised products claim they had all of this checked. The onus is on the customer and not the printer so they said. At the end of the day this is exactly how ebay and amazon operate. They have endless dodgy gear on there but it is not their responsibility. Their terms and conditions cover their backs.

    If a customer comes into the shop and asks for a print and states they have legal right to it even if it is Minnie Mouse, you can assume and guess they don't but that is all it is. You do not know for certain and the customer claimed he was certain. That would be enough for any court to not put responsibility on you. After all, the court would not be able to assume or guess that individual did not have permission to convict. They would have to prove beyond any doubt.

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    What about this....

    Pisquee prints some fantastic and beautiful patterns. Let say someone grabs that from wherever and pops into a shop and asks it to be printed on a phone case.

    Shopkeeper asks, who owns the image and the purchaser replies that they do.

    What else can the printer do?

    No disrespect to Pisquee, but how would I, as the printer, know it really belongs to him?

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    I think my best example is the local garage that specialises in German car repairs. They have a van that needs sign writing. Along with the name of the garage the wish to have the logos of Merc, BMW and Vw. The sign above their unit have these logos and they have certification , with logos, from these companies to say they are approved mechanics hanging on the wall. In fact they even want some some mugs to hand out to their customers.
    I would quite happily produce these for them but reading this I may be open to prosecution.
    No you will not. It is scaremongering.
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    If the law says, you cannot copy the work, that's black and white.
    Correct, but you are suggesting the printer is copying the work. They are not, they are a service. There is a huge difference that I am not sure people are grasping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
    The onus is on the customer and not the printer so they said. At the end of the day this is exactly how ebay and amazon operate. They have endless dodgy gear on there but it is not their responsibility. Their terms and conditions cover their backs..
    But eBay and Amazon do police copyright content by removing the offending material once notified. If they didn't act they would also become liable for the infringement. I am quite certain that this is the law. They withdrew the service to the customer because it was illegal to reproduce the work.

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    As for the garage owners. VW sued the garage owners who used their logo without permission. Even if they hand out VW mugs out to customers, they don't have a marketing license to do so. Having permission to be an authorised dealer doesn't mean that you are VW themselves and can do what you please. Those mugs would have to come from 'head office'.

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