DSF

so something that may sound cheap is proberly working out more expensive

This is exactly the reason why all the plonkers on ebay that sell mugs £5.00 and under, including 1st class delivery, think they're making a profit. - they haven't worked the costs out properly.

If you can't beat them - join them, get vat registered

Cardman - welcome to the world of "business" if you buy from a wholesaler you pay VAT and they are not obliged to show you VAT on the prices, as it is a trade site, Coralgraph differ as they show complete prices, but supply mostly to ebayers and home workers, so probably got fed up with people asking why the prices had gone up. its not too hard to work out at 20% but as John says above, remember to factor in VAT, delivery (from the supplier to you) on every order - unless its from a supplier like corelgraph