DSF

I'm sure they're good but after doing all my research my understanding was that BMS mugs are the absolute best? I want mugs that can withstand dishwashing to a point that it's guaranteed, and I understand that they the best as they have an RN coating rather than Orca or Rhino, etc

The only company who guarantee's their coating for the lifetime of the mug is Listawood I believe. Others will say tested for 500 or 2000 washes, but LW are the only one to guarantee it. BMS are good, as are Xpres, Dye Sub Supplies and Listawood. My personal opinion wouldbe to get samples from all of them and decide which one you like the best. I could say what I think are best and there will be others who 100% disagree

So you are looking for the following:

Ricoh Printer with Ink
Mug Press
72 Mugs
Paper

All for £300

If you can get that then you need to be in the business of negotiating and don't bother with dye sub as that would be a very very good price

membership is only £10 and is really there to support the forum administration costs, however some suppliers have been generous to a) support this forum financially and b) offer decent discounts to premium members.

I am not sure if it is my position to tell you what suppliers offer what discount, suffice to say that LW do offer 10% on blanks and BMS do not offer any discount for DSF members.

socialgiraffe;127205 wrote:The only company who guarantee's their coating for the lifetime of the mug is Listawood I believe. Others will say tested for 500 or 2000 washes, but LW are the only one to guarantee it..

I didn't find that to be true though.

I found that LW doesn't mention any guarantee for their dishwasher safe mugs - Duraglaze 10oz photo mugs: http://www.listawoodtradesupplies.com/i ... SMU&pgnum=

On the other hand, BMS clearly state their guarantee for their 10oz RN mugs:

"We are the first company in the UK to offer a 12 month dishwasher guarantee on all our RN coated ceramic products."

https://www.printerowners.co.uk/sublima ... n-mugs.htm

Having said that, BMS appear significantly more expensive than LW.

£99.36 incl VAT and free shipping for 72 BMS RN mugs

Compared with £70.56 for 72 LW AAA 10oz mugs (their only 10oz mugs without "visible defects or inclusions" - so clearly the only type I'd want to get!!)

Frustratingly, LW don't say whether this includes VAT or not, nor do they let you know about shipping costs.

Still I bet they are a lot cheaper. Especially if you add in the 10% discount you mention!

Just don't want to risk it given they don't (seem) to guarantee how dishwasher safe their mugs are. If you can point me to where they are guaranteeing this, that would be amazing.

And yes, in terms of getting everything for £300 - it's not going to be easy - but it's not as mad as it sounds either.

I've been amazed to find that there are stockists of BMS's Genius 1 mug press that charge almost £100 less for the same press.

I will need to shop around and negotiate, but it's looking like £300 / £350 is not impossible.

I didn't find that to be true though.

Without sounding rude, how do you not find that to be true as a "newbie"

I am 99% certain that LW do offer a lifetime guarantee and are the only company to do so. Having said that, their website for AAA grade mugs states 2000 washes which is considerably longer than the 12 months guarantee that BMS offer. I am not sure why it only states 2000 washes but that could be for several reasons and it is not for me to speculate.

To be honest, the guarantee's are pretty useless anyway but that is besides the point I suppose.

LW will be plus VAT as they are a B2B supplier.
The postage rate is £4.00 per box of mugs

I sell some mugs to retail and have a particularly fussy customer, they take the A grade mugs and have never complained, the visible defects are so small it is virtually impossible to see them. Even more so once printed.