very confused

[Paul]

Well.. Not all that is on ebay is crap. Iam telling you something guys... I saw some decen print with inkteh ink from ebay. Bloody good andvivid colors! Iam not pushing any one to this ink. Iam not using it too. Just saw some prints and tey were excelent!

[JSR]

Hello Everyone,
I'm brand new to the forum. I am very confused about which Sublimation printer I should get to print my mugs
Thanks in advance for all your help is this any good to start with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EPSON-S22-...item1c26f3f4c9d

This thread - http://www.dyesubforum.co.uk/vbforum...-Which-Printer - may prove helpful in "unconfusing" you.

[JSR]

and if the pocket/wallet allows - dont buy the cheap inks n papers from ebay - recipe for disaster ( most times, but not all ).
You want the good results, try and buy the best you can afford ! - thats the general word on here as well
Will save you crying later when you have to buy better inks n papers(again) - it AINT a cheap business to get up and going - well, it can be if you want to cut corners

This is an interesting topic all of its own. How can you determine what is "better ink" when the only choices we have are (i) Sawgrass, and (ii) something that isn't Sawgrass?

Which is the best? It could be argued that Sawgrass dye-sublimation ink hasn't changed for over 10 years. Whether you use today's Epson B1100 or a 10+ year old Epson 1290S, you're buying the same Sawgrass ink. Has it changed at all over the years? Or are you buying 12 year old formulated ink for today's modern printers?

Okay, so you don't know the answer to that for non-Sawgrass ink either but higher-priced ink isn't better just because it costs more. They are all unknown inks. One just has a high price tag on it.

Perhaps if we were legally allowed to buy non-Sawgrass inks, the dye-sublimation community could do ongoing tests of alternatives to find out which really is the better ink. I bet we'd be surprised by the outcome.

[Justin]

Perhaps if we were legally allowed to buy non-Sawgrass inks, the dye-sublimation community could do ongoing tests of alternatives to find out which really is the better ink. I bet we'd be surprised by the outcome.

I'm sure we would, I'm sure we would

[JSR]

I'm sure we would, I'm sure we would

It would certainly be interesting and useful to the end-user if Sawgrass improved their offerings to be the very best ink on the market, which would encourage us all to use it because it turned out to be the best. As it is now, we all end up using Sawgrass ink for fear of legal implications - it doesn't matter whether the ink is the best or a pile of donkey-doings, we have no choice.

I'm sure we'd much rather be using the best ink available, rather than having legal wranglings force us into buying a single product that could be the worst.

[mjcb]

ok i think i am going to go down the Brother 5910dw road wish me luck lol i think i might need it lol
thank you very much for all your help these last few days
what a great forum
thanks

[gorgall2]

Good luck, you'll need it.

[Paul]

Good luck mate. Hope you will find it problemless :-)

[bigj2552]

yep, second good luck also - hope your is as "ok" as mine have been ......so far !
TBH - if your not tech minded, i would go down the supported route......
I love tinkering and the learning curve and i,m also a gadget freak - so this kind of challenge suits me to the bone lol

but if i was NOT tech minded ect, i would def go down the supported printer route from one of the main suppliers.....
Horses for courses bud - good luck, but think long and read plenty on here BEFORE you commit to buying

[pisquee]

and if the pocket/wallet allows - dont buy the cheap inks n papers from ebay - recipe for disaster ( most times, but not all ).

Absolute rubbish, certainly on UK Ebay, there is only one real make of ink and that is InkTec. OK, it is only licensed for large format printers, and only allowed to be sold in litre quantities, but it is far from "cheap" in terms of being low quality, or inferior. Look at the papers and tests InkTec have done, but also the FLAAR report. It is bulk ink intended for professional use, on large expensive printers (costing £1000s not £100s) and for printing onto large runs of textiles (it can be used for printing directly onto poly textiles, not just using sublimation transfer paper) - an environment where they don't want a printer going down due to blockages, or a print not coming out print and 100s metres of fabric having to be binned. Yes, it isn't a "household name" as it is not intended to be used by 'small users' but in industry. It is very good ink from Korea, so not to be confused with the common phrased "cheap Chinese ink." The cheap chinese and/or unlicenced sublimation ink usually disappears from Ebay pretty quick, but InkTec inks are there and not disappearing because they are licensed by Sawgrass, and an official product in their eyes.
Please note: Not only am I a dealer for InkTec in the UK, but also a very happy user of their inks, both sublimation and pigment. I am not posting this to attract sales, but it does frustrate me when people keep saying to avoid the inks on Ebay - as they can only really be referring to InkTec. I am certainly not the only InkTec sublimation ink seller on Ebay, but I have been doing it the longest, and have many happy customers. I happily offer support and help to them on the phone and in emails, both pre and post sale.

OK, got that off my chest - can get on with getting the trade show stuff finalised ready for tomorrow.