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[socialgiraffe]

I totally understand where you're coming from with this. If they are selling them on ebay can you not get friends and family together to buy a few then give them negative feedback saying the items were poorly printed, damaged or never arrived. For the price they are selling them at I'm pretty sure they'll not be offering tracking in their free postage, so it's just your word against theirs, and the buyer always wins on ebay.

Have to say Webtrekker I think that it's a pretty low blow to suggest this.

Fair enough I can understand peoples frustration with an importer now selling direct to consumer. However, that is business and its prevalent in every industry everywhere. I have always said, business is 95% about customers and 5% about product. But to suggest something so unethical as to attempt to ruin someone's business is, in my humble opinion, going a tad to far.

If anyone feel's that their design work has been stolen then there are proper channels to deal with that. Coralgraph started as a small company once and because he has been a success and wants to grow you want to attempt to destroy it. By all means be frustrated, I spent a good few years mulling over how I could destroy my ex business partner scum, but I eventually realised that it would be far better to turn that anger in to bettering my business, I did this and everything is going really well.

In my opinion, this forum is about helping it's members, large or small, hobby or professional to better their products and knowledge. I can not see how attempting to destroying the reputation of a rival will help anyone.


P.S. I do not know anyone at Coralgraph and have no affiliation to them, my spend with them is possibly £150 a year if that.

[pw66]

I agree with most of your post, but am not too sure about the staff part.

You'd have to think that to make the enterprise worthwhile would tie up at least one person full time - if not they were already employing too many staff.

If you have to employ staff then the numbers change, but there is usually enough slack in most firms to create an hour a day to generate more turnover. The fact that a lot of us are posting on the forum or facebook during the day proves that. Maybe they print in the evening, from home, or are pre printing during slack to times to keep the staff working.

They are presumably relatively unrestricted in how many mug presses they have at their disposal, so production could be quite rapid. ( Knowing this I'd never risk buying a mug press from them - it might be secondhand!)
The transfers can be printed by whoever is in the office, while they are doing other things ( or they can be pre printed).
It makes no difference to the guys in dispatch if they are packing a printed mug or a pack of paper.

Even if they are only selling 20 a day, that is £200 a week/£10k pa extra profit.

[Earl Smith]

If you have to employ staff then the numbers change, but there is usually enough slack in most firms to create an hour a day to generate more turnover. The fact that a lot of us are posting on the forum or facebook during the day proves that. Maybe they print in the evening, from home, or are pre printing during slack to times to keep the staff working.

They are presumably relatively unrestricted in how many mug presses they have at their disposal, so production could be quite rapid. ( Knowing this I'd never risk buying a mug press from them - it might be secondhand!)
The transfers can be printed by whoever is in the office, while they are doing other things ( or they can be pre printed).
It makes no difference to the guys in dispatch if they are packing a printed mug or a pack of paper.

Even if they are only selling 20 a day, that is £200 a week/£10k pa extra profit.

I agree with you. Right now my embroidery machines are running and I have nothing to print, so here I am , writing this message. My mugs are usually done while Im doing another job.

[pw66]

I agree with you. Right now my embroidery machines are running and I have nothing to print, so here I am , writing this message. My mugs are usually done while Im doing another job.

I do a similar thing with sublimation printed 'performance fabric' t-shirts for fun runs. The margin is very low ( it has to be to get the work ), but I get six weeks notice, and I am earning during what would be 'dead' time. The Epsons are printing the transfers while I am doing other things, and there is usually some time, while waiting for the last customers to collect at the end of the day, for me to do some pressing.

[webtrekker]

Have to say Webtrekker I think that it's a pretty low blow to suggest this.

Fair enough I can understand peoples frustration with an importer now selling direct to consumer. However, that is business and its prevalent in every industry everywhere. I have always said, business is 95% about customers and 5% about product. But to suggest something so unethical as to attempt to ruin someone's business is, in my humble opinion, going a tad to far.

If anyone feel's that their design work has been stolen then there are proper channels to deal with that. Coralgraph started as a small company once and because he has been a success and wants to grow you want to attempt to destroy it. By all means be frustrated, I spent a good few years mulling over how I could destroy my ex business partner scum, but I eventually realised that it would be far better to turn that anger in to bettering my business, I did this and everything is going really well.

In my opinion, this forum is about helping it's members, large or small, hobby or professional to better their products and knowledge. I can not see how attempting to destroying the reputation of a rival will help anyone.


P.S. I do not know anyone at Coralgraph and have no affiliation to them, my spend with them is possibly £150 a year if that.

So, you'd advise just sitting back and letting someone pull the rug from under you? Why must you build up a bigger business when you're quite happy with the way it was running, just to beat a rival? I don't see the logic in that.

Sometimes you have to just man-up and fight dirty tricks with dirty tricks of your own. That's life, an eye for an eye and all that. It's not something I do every day, and for froggy to suggest that that post of mine 'sums me up' is ludicrous. How can you form an honest opinion of someone from a single post? The majority of my posts in here have been to offer help and advice to others, some of whom have taken it and thanked me for it.

However, seeing as some members have taken issue with the way I'd personally tackle the problem, then I'll refrain from posting anything that may be controversial in future, in case I offend the delicate nature of those members.

[James990]

It is alright half quoting something that you want to fit in with your way of thinking, but the correct quote which originates from the bible (Matthew 5), and which mankind has twisted to their own way, as per usual:-

Eye for Eye38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[SUP]h[/SUP] 39But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

We are encouraged to love our enemies and to good to them. yes I know that is against all normal instincts but I have certainly found out that it really messes with their heads and in the long run I have come out a better person for it!

Yes he may be selling cheap at present, and yes he may do it or a long time, but as I have said I have seen them come and go with the really cheap ones.

[socialgiraffe]

Jesus Webtrekker, why are you hell bent on twisting everything I say?

I would respond in more detail but there is no point.

Just to say that you could never offend me and what you have said is not controversial in any shape or form, I have a thick skin and to suggest I am a delicate nature is stupid (again). What you have said is immoral and unethical but certainly not controversial.

[webtrekker]

It is alright half quoting something that you want to fit in with your way of thinking, but the correct quote which originates from the bible (Matthew 5), and which mankind has twisted to their own way, as per usual:-

Eye for Eye38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[SUP]h[/SUP] 39But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

We are encouraged to love our enemies and to good to them. yes I know that is against all normal instincts but I have certainly found out that it really messes with their heads and in the long run I have come out a better person for it!

Yes he may be selling cheap at present, and yes he may do it or a long time, but as I have said I have seen them come and go with the really cheap ones.

Sorry, don't read fiction.

[socialgiraffe]

Sorry, don't read fiction.

Now, that was a funny response

Don't want to get into a discussion about religion, each to their own I say, but nonetheless, a great retort deserves a hand clap

[GoonerGary]

Right, let's not get this thread locked for silly in-fighting.