I stand corrected sir & bow to your superior knowledgeJSR;34988 wrote:I don't know, I think the water's a little muddy on this one. Windsor, Durham, and Cambridge mugs are all styles of mug. But the term "European Mug" gives the distinct impression that the mug, and everything done with it, is made in Europe. After all, isn't the style of these mugs "Durham" just like all the other Durham mugs? Using the term "European" clearly suggests that it's a European mug.
Personally, it makes no odds to me. So long as Durham mugs look like Durham mugs and they're straight and they have a good coating, where they come from is of little significance. But I did think "European Mugs" meant "Mugs made and coated in Europe".
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Re: Has Orca Coatings changed?
Referring back to the boil in a pan test 
Playing devils advocate for a moment.....is it a valuable test to test them at temps higher than the dishwasher gets to? By boiling for such a prolonged time could this have an adverse effect on the coating that wouldn't normally occur in the dishwasher?
My tests are always carried out in what I believe to be real world scenarios. I leave them in the dishwasher for up to 3 months minimum, washing daily. This is the most anyone could want to wash them and in actual fact customers probably dont wash anywhere near this often.
Playing devils advocate for a moment.....is it a valuable test to test them at temps higher than the dishwasher gets to? By boiling for such a prolonged time could this have an adverse effect on the coating that wouldn't normally occur in the dishwasher?
My tests are always carried out in what I believe to be real world scenarios. I leave them in the dishwasher for up to 3 months minimum, washing daily. This is the most anyone could want to wash them and in actual fact customers probably dont wash anywhere near this often.
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That is the right way to test, of course, but sometimes you don't have three months or more before you need to make a decision. How do you know the supplier is even buying in the same mugs after three months? They would have had fresh shipments in by then.Justin;35047 wrote:Referring back to the boil in a pan test
Playing devils advocate for a moment.....is it a valuable test to test them at temps higher than the dishwasher gets to? By boiling for such a prolonged time could this have an adverse effect on the coating that wouldn't normally occur in the dishwasher?
My tests are always carried out in what I believe to be real world scenarios. I leave them in the dishwasher for up to 3 months minimum, washing daily. This is the most anyone could want to wash them and in actual fact customers probably dont wash anywhere near this often.
You also need to have access to a dishwasher. At present, I don't. The only one I have proper access to is only used twice a week - so it'd take me almost a year to perform the same "three month" test, and that's not particularly practical when you need to make a quick decision.
Of course, if all mugs came from suppliers with documented evidence of tests performed, we wouldn't need to do any of this.
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For anyone interested in the results of my "pan test", I've posted a new thread here: http://www.dyesubforum.co.uk/vbforum/sh ... #post35059
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I guess parts of this thread may also be removed, but I do find it a shame that given the efforts some go to to help others in a friendly, informal manner that the general gist of the help is undermined and ultimately results in the thread being locked and then removed.
Whilst there may well be issues of replicability and scientific test conditions, this isn't a peer reviewed journal publication warranting external validation prior to going to print. If it were then I'd suggest that a significant number of posts on here would be removed.
So, thanks for the well meant efforts JSR.
Whilst there may well be issues of replicability and scientific test conditions, this isn't a peer reviewed journal publication warranting external validation prior to going to print. If it were then I'd suggest that a significant number of posts on here would be removed.
So, thanks for the well meant efforts JSR.
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I 100% agree with you Martin. as you said. nothing official. only little test to see whats going to happen...
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The thread in question was removed at the request of JSR, not by Admin.
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No one blame you buddy :frown: is just the shame that JSR had to request that to avoid little war on forum 
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I couldn't agree more with Matrtin on this one. I also think Jonathan did a great job as he always does with his trials & reviews. Jonathan always remember 'Illegitimi non carborundum' mate.
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I realised JSR requested the removal, not the Admin, so there was no dig at the Admin intended Justin.Justin;35144 wrote:The thread in question was removed at the request of JSR, not by Admin.
Whilst I don't purport to speak for JSR, I suspect (partly at least) the reason for the request was due to the negative comments made about the thread. I just think that the net effect of this will be that other members will be less inclined to do any experiments themselves and bother to post on the forum. The result being a more bland set of posts with little or no debate and discussion.
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