flushing out my brother...

[JSR]

off to sit in corner and suck my thumb.....i got bugger all :rolleyes:
but to be fair - i,m only a first time customer - you are not

johnny

Nothing to do with being a first time customer... everything to do with being observant!

Check out the webpages at either https://www.printercartridges.net/ or http://www.ink-girl.co.uk/ (it's the same site), and look at the top-left of your screen. There's a picture of a memory stick which says "Use code: fms when you spend over £20 on compatible cartridges or refills".

I was only going to buy the pigment ink, but that wouldn't have been £20, so I ordered another bottle of cleaning solution to put it over £20 and put the code in to see what would happen. I got a nice little tiny HP 8GB memory stick.

[bigj2552]

Nothing to do with being a first time customer... everything to do with being observant!

Check out the webpages at either https://www.printercartridges.net/ or http://www.ink-girl.co.uk/ (it's the same site), and look at the top-left of your screen. There's a picture of a memory stick which says "Use code: fms when you spend over £20 on compatible cartridges or refills".

I was only going to buy the pigment ink, but that wouldn't have been £20, so I ordered another bottle of cleaning solution to put it over £20 and put the code in to see what would happen. I got a nice little tiny HP 8GB memory stick.

ah for goodness sake lol.....
i did get free syringes tho

and already got a 32gig pen so not really needed.....but then again, it was for bugger all :rolleyes:
next time bud

[JSR]

I've put the pigment inks into my old DCP-195C printer now.

To be honest, the text print quality isn't a patch on the dye inks in my MFC-5890CN. I don't know if that's a printer issue (my DCP-195C has had a fair run of dye-sub inks through it in the past, while the 5890CN has done nothing strenuous). I'm going to do some tests and some photo printing experiments over the next few days to see if I can improve things.

[JSR]

I've printed a photo & colour evaluation image onto Inkjet paper, and it's not actually too bad. Difficult to be too sure this late at night but it looks like it's a bit weak in the orange/brown part of the gamut but nothing that the average home user couldn't put up with. Actual sharpness/quality looks fine.

I'll create a profile as soon as I get the opportunity and see if that improves anything.

[bigj2552]

you done it then....not had the time over the weekend bud, been really busy.
will hopefully get it done today sometime - i,m off to order some transfer paper from YOYO, some for lights and darks till i further trial them out with this new ink in the brother

keep me posted on updates bud and i will do same when i get this flushed out and primed.

oh aye, another question - do you keep you cleaning solution you use IN THE CARTS when you finished cleaning ? - or is it one clean then chuck the stuff ?

and do you also fill the little carts till there full of solution or half fill ?

just wondering !

johnny

[JSR]

I printed two other images this morning - my standard test photo that I always use (my dog in some flowers) and a person.

Comparing all three images in daylight shows up a weakness in the reds and a overbearing yellow, which in combination leads to a bit of a green cast. This leaves us with washed out browns, slightly orangey reds, and blues that lean a touch into the greens.

For the average home user, much of this probably won't be an issue. If the intention is to use this primarily as an office printer then I don't think anyone would concern themselves with it. However, if the intention is to print photographs and to match what you see on the screen, then a custom ICC profile is definitely in order. If you're printing mostly generic scenes that are green-heavy (such as landscapes) then you probably won't worry much about it, but if you're printing people then you probably won't be happy with the result.

I've profiled my inks with my ColorMunki this morning and the colours are now much closer to that which I see on-screen. The print of my dog is probably a touch on the dark side, but it's much easier to brighten an image before printing than it is to try and correct colours. And the print of the person is much more lifelike.

One additional issue is that my DCP-195C looks like it exhibits the "first print" issue that I've detailed before in my dye-sub tests. I suspect that, like dye-sub inks, pigment inks are a little thicker than the printer is happy with. This shows itself by way of an incomplete nozzle check pattern when you first go to print. Once you're printing, however, there is no issue. A more modern Brother printer may not exhibit this issue.

I look forward to hearing your results with your printer.

oh aye, another question - do you keep you cleaning solution you use IN THE CARTS when you finished cleaning ? - or is it one clean then chuck the stuff ?

and do you also fill the little carts till there full of solution or half fill ?

I fill the carts and then use them as and when I need to. When they get empty, I'll fill them up again. At the price of these carts, I don't need to use the carts for anything else so I just leave them on the shelf until I need to flush the printer again.

[bigj2552]

still not flushed this out yet bud....ordered another batch of transfer papers from YOYO and just ordered a lot of T-shirts - the lot should be with me in couple of days

at the moment, i,m using up the original ink practicing my contour cutting/pictures ect, and other things on plain paper and making up various bits n bobs for the office....

will flush it out when i get my T's and transfer paper from YOYO.....then i will report back bud.
hope you having better success now - didnt sound to promising at the start :rolleyes:

johnny

[JSR]

still not flushed this out yet bud....ordered another batch of transfer papers from YOYO and just ordered a lot of T-shirts - the lot should be with me in couple of days

at the moment, i,m using up the original ink practicing my contour cutting/pictures ect, and other things on plain paper and making up various bits n bobs for the office....

will flush it out when i get my T's and transfer paper from YOYO.....then i will report back bud.
hope you having better success now - didnt sound to promising at the start :rolleyes:

johnny

I did a new optimised profile for it, and the photo prints are much better now. Could probably do with optimising once more before I'm 100% happy, but it's fine for now.

I still have the "first print" issue as mentioned in my previous post, and I suspect there's no immediate cure for that. It's just an annoyance really.

My next job is to do a water fastness comparison between the dye in my 5890CN and the pigment in my 195C just to see for myself what the difference is.

I, too, have some sample Yolo papers here which I will be experimenting with once I have the time.

[bigj2552]

I did a new optimised profile for it, and the photo prints are much better now. Could probably do with optimising once more before I'm 100% happy, but it's fine for now.

I still have the "first print" issue as mentioned in my previous post, and I suspect there's no immediate cure for that. It's just an annoyance really.

My next job is to do a water fastness comparison between the dye in my 5890CN and the pigment in my 195C just to see for myself what the difference is.

I, too, have some sample Yolo papers here which I will be experimenting with once I have the time.

by the sounds of things, i prob need profile done by Paul for this to be correct
The yoyo sample papers i had printed out great on my sub ink brother - and transfered very well onto T-shirts, retaining i would say, 95% of the colour from screen - which aint to shabby
if i can get the other brother with the pigment inks to produce similar, i,ll be a happy man :biggrin:

[JSR]

by the sounds of things, i prob need profile done by Paul for this to be correct

It may be better in your printer than mine but, yes, I'd "pencil in" getting a profile done. I would ask Paul for one myself, but I'm able to use my ColorMunki. It's not going to be as good as a profile from Paul, but it'll do the job that I need it to do.

The yoyo sample papers i had printed out great on my sub ink brother - and transfered very well onto T-shirts, retaining i would say, 95% of the colour from screen - which aint to shabby

if i can get the other brother with the pigment inks to produce similar, i,ll be a happy man :biggrin:

Sometimes certain images will come out better than others. Using the standard Brother set up produces adequate results in the blues/greens with these pigment inks, it's just in the reds/yellows (which includes oranges, browns, and flesh tones) where it's weak.

For instance, the photo of my dog (mostly black & white) standing in long grass with bluebells comes out quite well before creating the profile. If I'd just printed that, I may have thought there wasn't a big issue. Only after doing different images did I start to see the weaknesses.