Has Orca Coatings changed?

[Scotty@BMS]

Does that mean that BMS pay a license fee to Listawood in order to sell RN-coated mugs like they have an agreement with Sawgrass to sell patent-protected inks?

No, we don't.

[JSR]

No, we don't.

Are your RN-coated mugs "patent protected" as well then? I'm just trying to figure out if this is something that applies to all RN mugs, or just the ones that Listawood sells (if Duraglaze is still RN).

[pisquee]

Surely the patent for RN coatings would be held by Rich Neely himself or his company, Listawood saying the the coating/coating process is patented is not the same as them saying that they hold the patent. I wonder if it is actual RN coatings being used, whether the license terms for use/resale allow it to be rebranded to be Duraglaze or anything else other than RN.

[JSR]

If so, it's seems deliberately confusing by giving the impression that it's "Duraglaze" that's patented rather than RN itself (because RN is never mentioned).

It's not like we're unfamiliar with being in muddy waters with patent issues, as anyone who's bought any dye-sub ink can attest to...

[WorthDoingRight]

Well this blurb is from another suppliers site (Not Duragalaze) and does it not seem to be very similar?

However we have gone one step further by making the Dye Sublimation mug even more durable with its brand new XXXXXXX Coat, which is a great addition to the already popular standard range of dye sub mugs.The new XXXXXXX Coat is 100% dishwasher proof and has been tested to withstand over a 1,000 wash cycles. The coat does not detract from the quality of the print as it still remains as colourful and pin sharp as ever. Furthermore the innovative XXXXXXXX coat ensures the logo, brand and image printed on each mug remains as full and true as possible with no signs of fading over time. Currently available in the classic Durham mug shape (pictured) this is a must have for all tea and coffee drinkers alike.

So perhaps everyone is just claiming their mugs are special when perhaps they all use the same coating under different names?

[JSR]

Well this blurb is from another suppliers site (Not Duragalaze) and does it not seem to be very similar?

However we have gone one step further by making the Dye Sublimation mug even more durable with its brand new XXXXXXX Coat, which is a great addition to the already popular standard range of dye sub mugs.The new XXXXXXX Coat is 100% dishwasher proof and has been tested to withstand over a 1,000 wash cycles. The coat does not detract from the quality of the print as it still remains as colourful and pin sharp as ever. Furthermore the innovative XXXXXXXX coat ensures the logo, brand and image printed on each mug remains as full and true as possible with no signs of fading over time. Currently available in the classic Durham mug shape (pictured) this is a must have for all tea and coffee drinkers alike.

So perhaps everyone is just claiming their mugs are special when perhaps they all use the same coating under different names?

Well, that's the first time I'd heard of "millennium coat" before.

Given that there's a well established known brand of RN mugs that everyone trusts, it seems a little daft to use other "names for the same thing" (presuming that they are), because those new names don't have the established and trusted reputation of RN.

If someone comes to you and says "I've had RN mugs from your competitor before, can you supply them now?", you won't get far by saying "I'm not sure if mine are RN or not, but they are Duraglaze/Millennium/whatever". Your customer will run a mile because they want RN mugs.

Still, I'm sure their marketing departments know what they're doing. :biggrin:

[WorthDoingRight]

Well, it is definitely confusing for us in the industry let alone our clients!

[WorthDoingRight]

So the RN coating we know is a product called Thermaglaze created by Steven and Vivian Valenty of Analyze Inc for Rich Neely and now exported all over the world to coat mugs with.

So perhaps Duragalaze/Orca/RN/Millenium coatings are Thermaglaze by another name? (I have seen it spelt Thermoglaze and as Therma-glaze on various websites)

[Charlie_]

Well found out Richard

[JSR]

So the RN coating we know is a product called Thermaglaze created by Steven and Vivian Valenty of Analyze Inc for Rich Neely and now exported all over the world to coat mugs with.

So perhaps Duragalaze/Orca/RN/Millenium coatings are Thermaglaze by another name? (I have seen it spelt Thermoglaze and as Therma-glaze on various websites)

Crazy isn't it? A rose by any other name. Call it a million different things, and then claim it's the *only* 100% dishwasher safe product on the market. Do suppliers really think we're so dense that we can be so easily hoodwinked?