Photo realistic - WoW 7.7 or TTC

[Gygafo]

Getting back to photographs (WoW is doing my head in).

I completed samples for a client yesterday for him to show his sale's agent at this weekends super-bike championship at Oulton Park this weekend, they have a massive stall and do a ton of business of which I obviously want a part of.

The artwork provided was a a very good quality 300dpi scan made by the clients printing company. After a few tweaks in Photoshop I printed the image at A4 along with an additional cutout of the artist's website address to place below the image. I applied both at the same time onto white tee-shirts. I also pressed the finished shirt's just for a second or so as I think think this really makes the TTC transfer pop and removes the tacky feel from the image! When the artist and his wife saw the samples last night they were over the moon! The next question they asked was "can you do this on black?" and like an idiot I said yes! However, looking at the online video's of OBM it looks like it could be a little too plastic for their or my liking. Is OBM ok?

Thanks
Nigel.

[Ask_Alan]

OBM is a white sheet you print on, its very thin but you do feel it. needs cutting round.

OBM 5.6 works with any Laser toner type, OBM 5.3 only works with OKI toner. It will print with other makes but the wash is poor.

Advantages on OKI, better blacks and its cheaper

Looking at the Magic Touch web site in Germany there are two types of OBM. The 5.3 and the 5.6. Which is the best one to buy for t-shirt printing?
Over to you Ask-Alan....

[socialgiraffe]

The artwork provided was a a very good quality 300dpi scan made by the clients printing company. After a few tweaks in Photoshop I printed the image at A4 along with an additional cutout of the artist's website address to place below the image. I applied both at the same time onto white tee-shirts. I also pressed the finished shirt's just for a second or so as I think think this really makes the TTC transfer pop and removes the tacky feel from the image! When the artist and his wife saw the samples last night they were over the moon! The next question they asked was "can you do this on black?" and like an idiot I said yes! However, looking at the online video's of OBM it looks like it could be a little too plastic for their or my liking. Is OBM ok?

In my personal opinion there are only two ways of producing full colour photographic transfers for black garments.

Print and Cut application (such as a Versacam, Mimaki etc etc)
WOW paper or other papers that do the same (these are sold by TMT and XPRES among others).

PRINT and CUT
I have a versacam and it is probably the most popular way that I print garments due to how cheap it is. I even produce transfers for light garments on it as there is no wax feel from the non printed transfer area. It might be worth you speaking to either myself, RogerC or Jason (or anyone else that has a print n cut), who maybe willing to do a trade deal with you.

WOW
I have only ever used TMT's Wow paper and did have a problem at first but now it works a treat for me. Xpres also sell a similar product so it might be worth giving that a stab. Both companies are very reputable and no doubt would welcome you into their demo rooms with open arms.

[Gygafo]

In my personal opinion there are only two ways of producing full colour photographic transfers for black garments.

Print and Cut application (such as a Versacam, Mimaki etc etc)
WOW paper or other papers that do the same (these are sold by TMT and XPRES among others).

PRINT and CUT
I have a versacam and it is probably the most popular way that I print garments due to how cheap it is. I even produce transfers for light garments on it as there is no wax feel from the non printed transfer area. It might be worth you speaking to either myself, RogerC or Jason (or anyone else that has a print n cut), who maybe willing to do a trade deal with you.

WOW
I have only ever used TMT's Wow paper and did have a problem at first but now it works a treat for me. Xpres also sell a similar product so it might be worth giving that a stab. Both companies are very reputable and no doubt would welcome you into their demo rooms with open arms.

Thanks Socialgiraffe, I'll do a bit of homework on versacam first and might just give you a shout if you don't mind.

I've spoken to the wonderfully patient tech guy's at TMT and emailed some pictures of the issue I am having for them to look at. I know it's early days but I really do have my heart set on using WoW because when it works it is easy to apply and the detail is stunning. My other problem is that I spent a small fortune on the C711WT printer so I'm going to stick it out another few weeks before I consider changing to something different.

I'll be putting an order in for some more TTC and I think I will try a pack of the OBM just for the experience of using it.

Cheers!
Nigel.

[socialgiraffe]

using WoW because when it works

100% agree, it is by far the best transfer in terms of looks, feel etc Keep at it

[Chunk]

Hi Gygafo, did you manage to get it going on dark garments, I have left it a bit late to ask but I have a demo visit tomorrow from TMT to show me the Oki white printer, is there anything I should ask that you he guys with the printer would ask after having for a while. The appeal to me is for printing onto dark garments as with white garments we can normally push towards Sub printing.

[Gygafo]

Hi Gygafo, did you manage to get it going on dark garments, I have left it a bit late to ask but I have a demo visit tomorrow from TMT to show me the Oki white printer, is there anything I should ask that you he guys with the printer would ask after having for a while. The appeal to me is for printing onto dark garments as with white garments we can normally push towards Sub printing.

Hi Chunk,
Sorry for the late reply mate but I've been away for a week and could only get access to the forum from my phone which was a real pain. In answer to your question... I had no end of problem with WoW up to the stage where I was pulling my hair out and ready to throw in the towel. I thought it was down to my technique. However, TMT are just amazing at customer service, and I mean AMAZING! My area sales manager Mark came to see me and to try my media for himself and he got virtually the same problem as me. We tried a few sheets from an older batch of media and they were near perfect compared to the new batch they had sent me previously. I'm just waiting for the arrival of another set of paper and I hope from there I will be well sorted. Obviously, this is new technology and will initially have it's high's and low's but encouragement from people like socialgirraffe and logobear have kept me determined to make it work. There is a plus side to this too. In my efforts to gain experience I bought some white tee-shirts and a box of TTC and did some samples for an artist who creates photo realistic paintings of some of the worlds leading motorcycle racers often at the teams request. He took the samples to his agent who loved the quality, we agreed a price (tons of margin) and I'm just waiting for the signed order (cash up front) for the first 200 shirts. My goal... to be able to provide the same quality and definition on black or coloured shirts. Hope you had a good demo, you wont go far wrong with TMT.

[Earl Smith]

I bought the 5.3 OBM paper its a big saving on the WOW if the design can be cut out. Only problem is peeling the carrier from the print, its very fiddely. Worth looking at because of the saving.

WOW, once mastered is great but I often loose the first print because Im in too much of a hurry and the press is not warm enough or I forget to increase the pressure.

Dont give up, the WOW/OBM is a great system.

[Gygafo]

I bought the 5.3 OBM paper its a big saving on the WOW if the design can be cut out. Only problem is peeling the carrier from the print, its very fiddely. Worth looking at because of the saving.

WOW, once mastered is great but I often loose the first print because Im in too much of a hurry and the press is not warm enough or I forget to increase the pressure.

Dont give up, the WOW/OBM is a great system.[/QUOTE]

Cheers Earl, I'm eager to try the OBM but don't see it as a replacement/alternative to WoW of which I hope will be sorted with the arrival of the new media that is on it's way to me. I think OBM will be great for the photography side of my business and I am thinking of buying the Graphtec cutting plotter from TMT once I've tried a sample sheet of the OBM just so I dont have to mess with manual cutting. I understand the plotter cutter will also work with TTC of which is just a brilliant product.

[yfp234]

Hi guys
I'm new to the forum and also using WOW 7.7 paper from TMT..
have been reading your posts above and thought you might be able to help with something which is driving me mad..but i know has to be simple..unless i have a dud box of paper..!
1) So with the WOW 7.7 paper from TMT, do you need a mask for 7.7?

2) does their m-sheet have a logo or anything to identify it as the m-sheet?

been looking at other vids on you-tube and other papers I've seen being used, seem to have a logo to ID it as the m-sheet..with the TMT WOW 7.7 paper, when I open my box, the top half of paper features a yellow TMT logo, (and is therefore the i-sheet) there's a colour paper divider and the bottom half of paper has no logo or watermark..is the paper with no logo on it definitely the m-sheet then? and if so, do i use the face up side as it comes in the box?

I am so confused now and its so annoying as when TMT showed me the demo it seemed really clear..now wondering if i have a dud box of paper!
thanks in advance for your help!

Sarah