Combined printer cutter < 2m in physical width

[socialgiraffe]

Is the HP a solvent printer? Can you print on banner material (for example) is if outdoor ink?

That's fine that you are a fan of two machines, personally I prefer one machine that takes up less room, has less registration issues, and is faster than two machines, but that is just personal opinion based on personal experience.

I use Metamark because it works, tracks perfectly, gives superb results at a decent price, I don't do cheap as my customers expect quality. Plus last time I checked, the difference between cheap and quality substrate was about 20p per meter.

I do not understand the question about laminating. If I need to laminate, I take the media off the Roland, laminate it and then put it back. What is the difference between that and two machines?

Lastly, not accusing you of being stupid, just wrong


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[socialgiraffe]

Why are you now changing it to be all about laminating?

Arfermo, the difference in cost will be nominal, print on vinyl will cost a max of 20-30p per double sided corex sales board. Am happy to run some samples for you to test.


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[mags1892]

Im not making it bout laminating but thats an option. it seem there a couple egos here that need flattering well tough i have made my points and i stand by them you buy one machine for all and good luck im not going to slag anyont off and im not wrong i just dont recommend it to my clients thats all.

[socialgiraffe]

The one thing a HP latex has over a print and cut is that you don't have to wait if you want to laminate, good for the HP, especially as cold lamination is on the decline in favour of better inks and liquid laminators.

Keep advising your clients, it will simply make me richer as I can do the job cheaper with superior materials (according to you).

Gassing off is wrong
Reloading media is wrong
Substantially slower is wrong

You should be advising your clients according to their production methods and space and not to what you incorrectly think. Arfermo's original question was regarding a print n cut machine less than 2 meters wide. You ignored this but instead suggested a set up that is well over 2 meters and supported this by making up lies about print n cuts. Yet it is my ego.... You are again wrong, it is your ego as you have offered advice on something you know nothing about and will not accept this.



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[socialgiraffe]

And I presume you can not answer the question about HP ink?


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[phoenixalpha]

I've used Rolands, Mimakis and HPs. The Roland IMO is the best especially at a print and cut. Yes if you are going laminate then its best to let it sit for a few hours to make sure it's 110% dry before laminating and then cutting but with good kit and decent product knowhow its an absolute breeze with a Roland to print then cut, no reloading, no messing around, no hassle.

If I was putting my own cash into a machine, I'd go Roland with ecosol inks 10 times out of 10. Its easier and a lot less hassle (maybe slightly less efficient time wise if you are running a cutter and printer side by side so you can print one job whilst the cutter is cutting another job) but for my own peace of mind I would rather run stuff without unmounting the media and then mounting on a cutter then finding registrations etc.

[socialgiraffe]

Exactly Phoenix, although I take a very small issue with one thing which is relevant to small companies and one man bands (which I happen to know arfermo is)

I think it is a misconception to think that running side by side is more efficient. I think it is far more efficient to be able to set a printer running, leave it running for an hour or so while you are able to complete another job like mugs for example. Running two machines will split your time up meaning you can not get on with other work.

That is just my opinion (or ego if you like )


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[ArferMo]

No argument that if you have a lot of work a separate printer and cutter will give you more throughput but, I'm now tight for space as I already have 15 printers and 2 small titchy cutters that will be going once I find a combined printer/cutter at the right price.

Gassing off won't be an issue for me as I'm in no hurry and the cows outside in the field do enough gassing off for me anyway.

Surprised about the low cost of the vinyl for the sign board.... I thought 0.5m wide was about 6GBP per meter or is sign vinyl a lot cheaper than Soldark, I've not checked.

[socialgiraffe]

A lot cheaper arfermo,, I think you can expect around £1-2 per meter for a five year calendar vinyl

Still not convinced on the throughput, on separate machines, but I doubt I will get to the stage where I need to worry about it anyway




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[ArferMo]

See the link on the very first post on this thread.